Pricing for 2028-2029 Camaro 7th gen?

[arpad_m]

These are nonsensical prices. Not sure if the automotive market as we know it has a meaningful future.

As mentioned, the overhead on these cars that we are expected to cover is crazy, from union-driven wages through crazy parts markups through corporate damage control and financing aborted "initiatives" to constraining production to keep prices in the stratosphere.

Heck, I'm absolutely no fan of Tesla or EVs, but the thought of having or hailing a self-driving taxi to take care of daily business along with an old and amazing muscle car like, I don't know, a souped up 2018 Camaro SS is looking more and more enticing. No more disappointment with these fat, greedy legacy automakers.

 

[cooldawg]

Agree. I don’t think I can can take the plunge on a six figure car… $50-70 seemed bad enough. I keep thinking holy $hit, that’s $7k just in sales tax!

The one upside is if you sold one, you certainly didn’t lose your shirt.

I like your idea. I sold my 23 1SS 1LE because I couldn’t deal with black. While I managed to locate a low mile 2018 yellow car, the dealer wants a ridiculous ransom for it. I’m guessing it’s priced at $7/8k above MSRP… I probably should’ve wrapped my black one. The car I’d really love to own is a yellow (not shock) ZLE.

 

[DeuceCam]

At these proposed prices they should pick up where the old FR Corvette left off and apply it to the Camaro (aluminum chassis, double wishbones front and back, transaxle, dry sump, etc.). I realize that won't happen, but it should.

 

[Joshinator99]

I feel like the Camaro (and Mustang) were always “pony” cars or “muscle” cars. They were light, had V8 engines and were fun first and foremost. But were affordable to younger drivers who could get excited about driving their particular brand and later in life bought a Corvette or Shelby. And along the way, they bought family cars, trucks, and SUVs due to that brand loyalty they formed early on. I’m certainly not advocating against some higher trim Camaros (to be sure lol), but for several years during the 6th Gen Camaro run the SS was the cheapest V8 Camaro and that was loaded with nineteen coolers and Brembo brakes for track use lol. GM tried to fix that with the base LT1 after 4 years but by then prices on that were higher than they should have been too. So I hope they don’t try to make a front engine Corvette out of the Camaro. Make it fun and at least somewhat usable! If people want track cars then buy a Vette. But the last gen Challenger proved a muscle car could sell, even if handling wasn’t its thing. Maybe I’m just the old man yelling at the sky at this point

 

[cooldawg]

You’re not alone… I have a feeling there’s going to be a lot of old men yelling at the sky. They don’t seem to care about cultivating any brand loyalty long term. I started with a 1970 Camaro in 1986, and I remained loyal to Chevrolet well into my early 50’s for my trucks…

I expect a sedan. If we’re lucky enough to get the LS6, they will carry over AFM as they did on C8 GS. Why? Because they said so, that’s why! I expect $70,000 plus for 1SS1LE type NA trim. I might overpay for a coupe, but I’ll WALK if it’s a sedan.

I have a sneaking suspicion I’m going to regret selling my SS1LE (I’d still have it if they would’ve built me a car in bright yellow). As with my DY 1970, regrets are a helluva’ thing. Yelling or crying- it’s healthy release, lol.

 

[Stonehauler]

Brand loyalty doesn't matter if your customer base is aging out...
Let's face it, Chevy does not care about people beyond 70. Even if they bought a new car at 70, that's probably the last car they will ever buy.
Even people in their 60s are starting to look at "last cars". I am early 50s and I keep my trucks 15 years and I feel like I just bought my last F-350. In 15 years, I doubt I will feel like hauling my boat to the ramp to dump it in, haul plywood or sheet rock, or anything else that needs a real truck. I will either be renting a slip, or I will be selling my boat, meaning I have no more need to a truck, or hiring a contractor.

What Chevy needs to look after are the people in the 20-50 range....and for the most part, they want sedans.

I absolutely loved the old Challenger as a vehicle. I actually liked it better than the Charger. It had a much better driver experience and someone my size could actually fit in the back seat. I can't fit in the back of the old Charger. The window comes down too much. If the window was removed, my eyes would be above the line the window would take...that said, I can't own a Charger because it doesn't work in my garage. I have plenty of room in theory, except the builder put a support beam in the middle of the garage between the stalls. They could have designed a much better support beam system, but this was cheaper for them.... My wife had a two door Pontiac GTP. She loved that car, but hated that she got the coupe after we moved and wished she had gotten the sedan instead because of the issues in the garage.

Sometimes, practicality wins...

btw, IMO, the new Charger looks much better with four doors than it does with two

 

[cooldawg]

btw, IMO, the new Charger looks much better with four doors than it does with two

Old charger good, new one? It would’ve been difficult to make the coupe any uglier. Just my opinion. I’m torn- on one side I hope it flops. Would dodge then move on to a clean sheet lighter/ more athletic version of challenger (and shoehorn that beautiful sounding 6.2 SC HEMI between the fenders)?

On the other hand, if it sells the competition helps keep prices down.

 

[Pickles]

There would be a very good market for a Gen 7 Camaro in Aussie, but only if is, like the Mustang, also produced in RHD. To give you some idea, a "converted" (in Australia) ZL1 cost around $180K including registration & delivery costs etc, The Mustang costs around $90-95K!

 

[Hack]

For pricing, it's easier to just look at what the Mustang is selling for and add $4-5k. Of course this isn't including any kind of dealer ripoff fee, I mean markup fee, but you'll get a general idea.

I can't speak for the general market or know for sure what will sell, but I have owned lots of Mustangs. I'm a Ford person in general. I love buying new cars and trying something different.
Having said all that, I'm not interested in the latest Mustang, because to me it's more of the same at a much higher price. The extra screens, fewer physical controls, heavier weight, same engine... none of it does anything for me. I have a 10 year old Mustang GT that I set up for track use, and at the rate I'm wearing it out, I'll probably never need a replacement. As far as I can tell, the S650 isn't selling all that well.

I would only buy a new car if there's a significant performance improvement to be had, which means to me lighter weight, better weight distribution, or a larger naturally aspirated engine, not more digital stuff or larger size.

If the Camaro is significantly higher in price than the Mustang, it would have to be incredibly good for me to be interested. I would just continue on with used vehicles. If GM can't build it to make money at a reasonable price, maybe I'll buy one after it's 3-5 years old and the price is a lot lower. I wouldn't be a new car buyer in that case.

Car manufacturers need to realize that they aren't only competing with other new cars, they are also competing against the used market.

 

[Pickles]

I can't speak for the general market or know for sure what will sell, but I have owned lots of Mustangs. I'm a Ford person in general. I love buying new cars and trying something different.
Having said all that, I'm not interested in the latest Mustang, because to me it's more of the same at a much higher price. The extra screens, fewer physical controls, heavier weight, same engine... none of it does anything for me. I have a 10 year old Mustang GT that I set up for track use, and at the rate I'm wearing it out, I'll probably never need a replacement. As far as I can tell, the S650 isn't selling all that well.

I would only buy a new car if there's a significant performance improvement to be had, which means to me lighter weight, better weight distribution, or a larger naturally aspirated engine, not more digital stuff or larger size.

If the Camaro is significantly higher in price than the Mustang, it would have to be incredibly good for me to be interested. I would just continue on with used vehicles. If GM can't build it to make money at a reasonable price, maybe I'll buy one after it's 3-5 years old and the price is a lot lower. I wouldn't be a new car buyer in that case.

Car manufacturers need to realize that they aren't only competing with other new cars, they are also competing against the used market.

Fair comment, we only got 375 ZL1 Camaros which had to be converted to RHD, making them quite expensive ($160K Aus), but all owners were pretty impressed with the LT4 engine. You're lucky to be able to buy any number of "as new" gen 6 ZL1s in the States,.....wouldn't they be better than your current Mustang?, which are sold factory RHD in Aus, at around $90K(Aus).

 

[Hack]

Fair comment, we only got 375 ZL1 Camaros which had to be converted to RHD, making them quite expensive ($160K Aus), but all owners were pretty impressed with the LT4 engine. You're lucky to be able to buy any number of "as new" gen 6 ZL1s in the States,.....wouldn't they be better than your current Mustang?, which are sold factory RHD in Aus, at around $90K(Aus).

In theory I like the ZL1, but generally I by far prefer a larger cubic inch naturally aspirated engine over a smaller boosted engine. I like the LT1 engine. If GM would remove AFM and direct injection from it, that would be even better. To me, getting the total size and mass of the car down and better balanced is a better improvement vs. adding a bunch of power and weight to the front of the car.

I'm not buying for absolute highest HP. I think the 6 gen Camaro was really, really great. Just the electronics and the CAFE engine crap cause issues with longevity and value for me. Other than that, comfort and visibility are nits that I could easily overlook. I think GM should improve them for better sales to more typical buyers, though.

But increasing in price by tens of thousands in a few years is a non-starter for me. I paid about $35K for my 2021 LT1 when I bought it. I'm not going to pay $60K for something similar unless every nit I have to pick is fixed or there's a transaxle or something else that makes it much more impressive. With a transaxle, the price could go up significantly and I would still be interested, depending on the rest of the car's design.

 

[arpad_m]

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I'm not buying for absolute highest HP. I think the 6 gen Camaro was really, really great. Just the electronics and the CAFE engine crap cause issues with longevity and value for me. Other than that, comfort and visibility are nits that I could easily overlook. I think GM should improve them for better sales to more typical buyers, though.

But increasing in price by tens of thousands in a few years is a non-starter for me. I paid about $35K for my 2021 LT1 when I bought it. I'm not going to pay $60K for something similar unless every nit I have to pick is fixed or there's a transaxle or something else that makes it much more impressive. With a transaxle, the price could go up significantly and I would still be interested, depending on the rest of the car's design.

I agree in general, and now, with aftermarket digital gauge clusters and large Android radio units popping up, most of the electronics can be upgraded, too.

Unfortunately I don't see GM selling a new Camaro at a reasonable price anymore, they've become too fat with insane overheads tacked on each vehicle's price.

In addition, it seems they decided to only offer the Corvette in the performance car segment, they even lifted it into a category of its own. A "parallel" muscle/sports car offering is therefore unlikely, and if they come out with a 4-door sedan or SUV and call it a Camaro, we all know they're just bullshitting in an attempt to fleece the nostalgic.